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[Music] hello Dan this is for excuse for defense attorney Alan Greenberg how're you [Music] advocacy is such a neat dense topic I mean I think it is witchcraft it is deep it is it is alchemy there are no moral victories of this business if you don't win it's a disaster for the person well you have to win them see if he is coming through on anything or did he come through on a warrant last night in the words of Jesse Pinkman you don't want a criminal lawyer you want a criminal lawyer and so we get Saul Goodman Breaking Bad's fast-talking lovable scumbag of an attorney last season on the real heat find a real-life Walter White so this year we wondered if there were any real-world counterparts to his lawyer to when we asked around the new york legal world about who was the most outrageous most boundary-pushing a most effective criminal defense attorney out there everyone told us one thing