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welcome back everybody joe everest the fence expert hey one of the most common pieces of feedback we get about the saturday morning live assi experts segment is those things are long and they're not wrong they last about three hours two and a half to three hours sometimes a few weeks ago caleb and i got into a pretty good discussion about marketing i think it lasted closer to four hours nobody's got time to sit through four hours of listening to a couple experts talk i get it so jeremy's created a new segment just for you guys called hot takes it's usually a shorter segment of the longer conversation basically hitting the hot topics if you will of that live segment so without further ado here comes this week's hot take this is joe evers defense expert my family's been perfecting their way of building fence for over 60 years three generations while there's more than one way to build a fe